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Police official’s testimony that kneeling on Floyd was ‘totally unnecessary’ dominates trial day 5

MINNEAPOLIS, Minnesota — Kneeling on George Floyd ’s neck while he was handcuffed and in the prone position was “top-tier, deadly force” and “totally unnecessary,” the head of the Minneapolis Police Department’s homicide division testified Friday.

“If your knee is on a person’s neck, that can kill him,” said Lt. Richard Zimmerman, adding that when a person is handcuffed in the prone position, “your muscles are pulling back ... and if you’re laying on your chest, that’s constricting your breathing even more.”

Zimmerman also testified at Derek Chauvin’s murder trial that once Floyd was handcuffed, he saw “no reason for why the officers felt they were in danger, if that’s what they felt, and that’s what they would have to feel to be able to use that kind of force.”

“So in your opinion, should that restraint have stopped once he was handcuffed and thrown on the ground?” Prosecutor Matthew Frank asked.

“Absolutely,” Zimmerman replied.

He also testified that officers have a duty to provide care for a person in distress, even if an ambulance has already been called.

Under cross examination, Chauvin attorney Eric Nelson peppered Zimmerman with questions about use of force, pointing out that officers must consider the entire situation when deciding about whether to use force — including what is happening with a suspect, whether the suspect is under the influence, and other surrounding hazards, such as a crowd.

Zimmerman agreed with Nelson that a person who is handcuffed can still pose a threat and can continue to thrash around.

His testimony came a day after a Minneapolis police supervisory sergeant who was on duty the night Floyd died testified that he believes the officers restrained him for too long.

David Pleoger testified Thursday that officers are trained to roll people on their side to help with their breathing after they have been restrained in the prone position. He said the officers could have ended their restraint of Floyd after he stopped resisting.

Chauvin, 45 and white, is accused of killing Floyd by pinning his knee on the 46-year-old Black man’s neck for 9 minutes, 29 seconds, as he lay face-down in handcuffs. Floyd had been accused of passing a counterfeit $20 bill at a neighborhood market.

His death triggered large protests around the U.S., scattered violence and widespread soul-searching over racism and police brutality. The since-fired Chauvin is charged with murder and manslaughter, and most serious charge him carries up to 40 years in prison.

Earlier Friday, Minneapolis police Sgt. Jon Edwards, the overnight supervisor the night Floyd died, said he secured the scene at the request of Pleoger, who was still at the hospital with Floyd. Edwards said Pleoger told him the encounter had the potential to become a “critical incident,” which could mean someone died or was seriously injured.

The defense has argued that Chauvin did what he was trained to do when he encountered Floyd last May and that Floyd’s death was caused not by the knee on his neck, as prosecutors contend but by drugs, his underlying health conditions and adrenaline. An autopsy found fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system.

On Thursday, two paramedics who arrived on the scene that day said they saw no signs that Floyd was breathing or moving. One of them, Derek Smith, testified that he checked for a pulse and couldn’t detect one: “In layman’s terms? I thought he was dead.”

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  1. One person’s opinion. I thought opinions don’t count in court. My question: What would you do if the dude was 10″ and 70# bigger than you?

      1. they didnt kill him you idiot, why dont you push your veil of hate aside for once and look at the truth, he died of a drug overdose. but you want to see an innocent man put to death just to entertain yourself. that makes you a subhuman by any standards

  2. I am totally in agreement that the knee on the neck was unnecessary. However Chauvin did contribute to Floyd’s death. But still not the cause. Chauvin needs to go to jail for negligence. Not for murder. He already got fired and will probably never work in law enforcement again. The trial is getting drawn out more than it needs to be. George Floyd is solely responsible for his onw death. Not an easy thing to say. But Chauvin and the cowards that did not stop him need to pay for his death too. Not equally responsible for Floyd’s death but the cops do have a definite role in his death.

    1. so, when someone resists, especially someone as big as him you just let him be? the drugs killed him, not the knee on the SIDE of his neck. thats a tactic used by law enforcement for decades. now all of a sudden an idiot already dying of a drug overdose has it used on him and its considered an inhumane tactic because he was black. if floyd had been white this would have been on the last page and evaporated the next day

      1. I don’t disagree that if Floyd had been white this would never have gone public. And of course not let the suspect free but torture after the man was down is not good police work. Cops are supposed to protect and serve. Putting a knee is not proper procedure in this case. I support cops. I don’t support or advocate sloppy procedure especially when a person dies. Cops are human too and will make mistakes. They need to learn from this and follow what is best for the suspect without putting themselves in danger. Very hard thing to doo when a cop doesn’t know what the suspect is on. Floyd does have responsibility on his own death no doubt. The cops have some too in the way they conducted the arrest.

    1. You should see all the comments I made about you scooby doo doo. You won’t like them. Your accolade on my comment is worth what alberto pedo muerto is worth. Not a damn thing.

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